Yan Gagin (“Pappa Kot”) Источник: https://scottritter.substack.com/p/yan-gagin-pappa-kot

Yan Gagin (“Pappa Kot”)

Источник: https://scottritter.substack.com/p/yan-gagin-pappa-kot

Hello, welcome to a special edition of the Russia House with Scott Ritter. Today I'm in downtown Moscow, beautiful weather, but there's a war raging down south in the Donbass regions, and also in areas of Russia, Belgrade, Kursk. Some say this summer is a summer of decision, that this will be a time when the war will either fall into stagnation or there will be a breakthrough and developments but the bottom line is the war is on everybody's mind we're entering the fifth year of conflict and therefore I couldn't have a better guest to talk to today than my guest today Jan Gagin callsign Papakot but he's also a good friend of mine thank you very much for for joining me today You serve as the special military advisor to the head of the Donetsk People's Republic. What can you tell us about your job and the work you do?

First of all, I would like to welcome you. Good morning. And I would like to tell you once again, because I have been doing with the front issues with the provision of different means to the front. I'm actually a designer and a developer because in the middle of the zeros are used to work with the drones drone systems and they also deal with these same systems right now we're currently working with the grounded robotic complexes they are currently supplied to the front and they support our soldiers sometimes they also constitute them these complex this system can be military ones or fight ones they can be used for the anti-mining operation they could be used for equating wounded soldiers from the front line and it can also deliver almost everything to the front line everything what is needed for our soldiers where it is really quite dangerous to use big trucks and that's what I've been doing for the last six months because I consider them to be most important

You mentioned danger. I just want to bring it up so people understand the reality of this. You yourself were seriously wounded a couple years ago by a Ukrainian drone attack. Can you tell us about that attack? And I think there is a special aspect to the attack as well. It wasn't just a normal drone grenade. They hit you with a more serious weapon.

I will tell you the entire story. My colleague and my friend Dennis, you know him pretty well. We were in the same unit and we were transporting the food and medicines and drugs to our soldiers. from the Moscow Volunteers that was just in the eight and we came to one unit and we decided to go with the another unit and it was a late evening it started being pretty dark so we'll I left this village and we were going down the road and Dennis told me that my probably one of the wheel was flat we need to stop to get out so we stopped at the tree I get off and I saw that left front wheel was a little bit Flat and then we decided, started hearing a drone noise in the air, it was a small drone, it was probably a scoured drone, but with the sudden functioning to drop a small grenade or bomb. We started shooting at this drone. I was using my machine gun and Dennis was using a rifle, but I was not able to hit them because this drone was moving pretty fast It was quite difficult to actually kill the drone from the machine gun and the altitude was around 250 meters.

It was pretty difficult to hear that. However, I had a radio-electronic rifle in the car and this anti-drone rifle in us tried to close the communication channel for the drone. however it didn't work because the drone stayed connected but he started staggering or moving from side to side and the operator wasn't able actually to hit us exactly then it dropped the ground a grenade not exactly us probably about 10 meters away from us and we actually decided to fall down on the ground we started protecting ourselves and i got three shrapnel ones and the denis got five rounds and these particularly grenade was with the chemical agents because we also got significant burnings every single round every single round and our skin started burning even in seconds it was very painful very unpleasant however we were delivered to the hospital we were saved However, these burns stayed for the next six months.

Usually if you are abounded by frapnel, probably in about 40-45 days you are okay, but these burns were very deep and we spent six months in order to recover. Let's talk about the fact that Ukraine is using chemical weapons very actively on the front line. That was the first time when I was actually attacked by the chemical weapons. The first time that was the gas was with a certain chlor inside. when we were fighting for Mariupol next to Azovstal plant. Ukrainians have started shooting us with the grenades with the mines from the copters and they had gas inside. I also got burns of my airways and it was also very unpleasant. I still coughing and I need to drink water pretty often and otherwise it is not pretty pleasant for the people I talk to you.

What is the international community said about these chemical weapons attacks? I mean this is a violation of a massive violation of international law violation of a global understanding regarding the prohibition of of the use of chemical weapons. And just so people understand, this isn't propaganda. I've seen the photographs. I mean, we were communicating right after. As you said, Dennis and you were friends of mine, and I was aware of what happened. This is as real as it gets. Has the international community come to your support and asked questions and sought to investigate?

As you know, we have no request from any international organization for this particular topic. But if I talk about the proofs for using chemical weapons by Ukrainians and the Ukrainian Internet, there are a lot of videos video materials were the Ukrainian soldiers, drone operators. This Madhyar is the head of the drone army. They are using the chemical grenades, chemical Weapons against the russian soldiers and they also record videos how they do and they download and these videos to the internet that's actually not the top secret information you can really freely find it everywhere that's a very stupid thing because they provide the proofs against themselves and quite often we can see on this video that a chemical grenades that's with the NATO designation in Latin these are not Russian grenades no Ukrainian grenades these grenades were mentioned were supplied by a NATO country

Oh, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. It's an unpleasant story, but it's a necessary story for people to understand the reality of what's happening there. You come from a military family. Your father served in the Soviet Navy stationed in Crimea, and he played a very important role, I understand. in making sure that when the when Ukraine became independent, that Russia didn't lose access to the base. Could you tell us about your father and about that story and how that influenced you?

You're absolutely right. I'm from a military family and my father was a Soviet officer. My grandfathers, my uncles, they were all military officers. They used to be in the Russian Empire, then in the Soviet I am in the Russian army and I currently serving the great Russian and I think we are a really military officer dynasty and have for all my life I would like to be really at the because my father was a real lighthouse, a guiding star for me. And his example, an example of my grandfather's, definitely made a very significant impact on my career, on my choice in life. And if I talk about my father's influence on the split of the Black Sea Marine, I will tell you, my father was the head of the Brigade 37 in Sevastopol. Brigade was a quite a significant combination of set of ships, of dozens of different ships, and when the Soviet Union The Ukrainian president called to split the Black Sea Marine and the brigade headed by my father.

All the ships they raised the Russian Andreev's Navy Flag and the entire Union, the Ukrainian Brigade, remained with the Russian Navy. And then the father was appointed, was named the personal enemy of the Ukrainian president. That's the story. So the Russian Spring started for me in 1991, 1992 when the Navy was splitted, was segregated, the entire country collapsed, the entire army collapsed, even the families collapsed and got splitted and divorced because some of the people in the families, members of the families wanted to be in different countries. and this frontier went through the families as well.

You mentioned your grandfather. He served in a specialized unit, SMERSH, counterintelligence, and he was heavily involved in destroying the Banderist movement. tell us I mean were you aware of what he did and today you're sort of following in his footsteps fighting the Banderas today can you talk about your grandfather and his influence on the work you do today it was action my grandfather my

My grandfather and I was named in his honor, Jan. He was actually serving before the October Revolution in Russia. But after the October Revolution, when the Soviet Union replaced the Russian Empire, My grandfather, the father of my grandmother, he was a military specialist and he was serving the Soviet secret service NKVD and during the Great Patriotic War he was in smash that was was a death to the spies that was the official name of this particular unit and the smash was fighting against the reconnoiters of the Germans and my grand-grandfather was was actual fighting against the Bandarists, especially the Bandarist commanders behind the front line. And after the win in Great Patriotic War, my grand-grandfather continued to fight Bandarists in Ukraine because there were a lot of them there. I'm not actually following his footsteps, I'm just completing the work he started and I'm proud about it.

You have a lot to be proud of. Two years ago, I visited the special military operation area of operations at Donbas. And at that time, Ukraine was preparing for a summer counteroffensive, June of 2023. And it ran its course. Can you tell us, you know, what has changed between When I visited two years ago and today, how has the war changed? What happened after the counteroffensive? Are the Ukrainians still attacking? Are the Russians defending or the Russians counterattacking? How is the front developing?

In 2023, Ukraine planned and started its big counteroffensive. It was aimed at southern regions, which we freed before, especially in Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, and the Ukrainians undertook this counteroffensive along the entire front line, and it really cost Ukraine a lot of soldiers and means, and because I have been doing my favorite job for a long time, there was a conflict of tactic of application, because the Soviet tactics that you which was taught at the Soviet military schools and the tactics of application, which is pretty widely used by the NATO countries. And as far as I know, that the NATO officer is required to use to use the NATO tactics and to use the weapons supplied by the NATO countries. And this conflict of tactics, when an officer was taught to do one way and then he was is actually required to do it in another way. That was a kind of probably a mismatch of what actually led to the missed success of this counter offensive.

And not all the military types were used, and not all military Ritter Ritter Ritter Ritter Ritter Ritter to go over the bridge, to go over the existing roads, because their weight was too heavy, and that's why they were very slow. And if I talk about some movements, for example, there was no good preparation, and it resulted in the poor supply of the front line. At some front places, the Ukrainians succeeded We did it, but they are not really far away. With special commanders or with strike fighters, they were actually able to break in into our defense. However, the supply was not good enough because We were able to round them and they surrounded because they had no supplies and no medical aid and so on. That was a big mistake. These small striking groups, they were pretty successful in a short period of time, but they were all killed in actions afterward. now russia is advancing now russia is making an offense and sensitive we are moving forward we are unfortunately are moving not so fast as we want it is definitely before fight by drones by drone system used by both sides by ukrainians and us

russians again referring to your the history of your grandfather and you said you're completing his work how much influence do the Banderists have over the special military operation over Ukraine in 2022 the Azov battalion was headquartered in Mariupol and there was some very heavy fighting to you know to liberate Mariupol from the from the Azov Battalion and thousands of them surrendered. But today we see that they've resurrected as not just a battalion, not just a brigade, but a corps. It seems that the Banderists are becoming even more influential in Ukraine. Is this true? And then what's to be done? How do you deal with this issue of Banderism?

If I talk about the Banderists, this classic neo-Nazis, they actually don't support its own people. Even the German generals said after World War II, if you would like to have an effective war against the Russians, you need to put Ukraine and Russia into strike, because Ukrainians and Russians used to be the same folk, the same nation. Some of these people lived in the South and some of the North. I wouldn't say the Ukrainian is a separate language. That's just the Russian language with certain peculiarities with certain words taken from Polish Czech that's a kind of mixture of language but the Ukrainian is Russian language as the base and Ukraine has now been an independent country there was only the of the Russian Empire and Ukraine were just the southern regions in the Russian Empire. That's a kind of pseudo-country. It's an artificial country created after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

what our enemies created at the end of the Cold War. And this Nazi map, the Nazi card is played by someone in the world because that's a very good ground for a new world when you can put the problems of your fork on or the folk from another country, from other nations, because you can say, they want your neighbors, they are guilty of everything, they ate your bread, they stole this to death from your country. Unfortunately, a lot of people who believe in it, and there are those nashists. Nazis who believe in it, they are actually pretty patient, but they are not really smart. And there are professional Nazis, and they become Nazis because they are paid for it. And there are a lot of them working in media. and there are a lot of them in the army when the war started. It was not in 2022. 2022 when the special and military operations started and the war in Donbass started in 2014. And this war was started by the Nazi units, by the bandit units because they were paid for it.

And if we talk about the Azov unit, Azov, That was a unit of the Ukrainian National Guard, but it's a previous nationalist battalion consisting of bandarists and bandits. And this NADS idea was left there in order to unite the soldiers. And it was a new religion. designed for the soldiers in this kind of units, and I will explain you why. They got a new religion that was a cult of death, the cult of the Slavic gods, there was a lot of things there, they have also scams The founding gods, the ancient slavic gods, I also mentioned that. And it is done in order to separate them from the Ukrainian nation, from their families. Because we also have mothers, grandmothers, they usually go to church because we are Orthodox. And in order to segregate, to separate them from their families, a new religion was designed, was developed for them. They were also free of any criminal crimes they made, so those regions and cities In the cities where these Nazi units were located, they had no responsibility for the crimes they made, they were always well equipped, they found themselves as military guards.

There was no criminal punishment for them in this very good supply and they felt themselves as a significant power. There's still a significant and important power in Ukraine and they are more an ideological and political power in Ukraine because the number of these Nazis is not so great as the number of Ukrainian soldiers. But when we actually got married and many of them surrendered, and those who stayed in Ukrainian army, they were actually dispersed through different Ukrainian army units as the carriers of nationalist idea. Because there is a capillon in the army, that's another, it's a kind of Nazi capillon in the army. watching that everyone should follow the Nazi ideology. And what is the reason of this Nazi ideology? The aim is actually that we are not people. Ukrainians don't consider us the people they explained that the Russians are not people it is much easier to kill an animal than a human being because we all also eat meat for example I had an eye for my breakfast and nobody cares about this future Richard chicken we can eat eggs every single morning and we don't care about it and that's how they can see us but they can kill us they they have no moral responsibility in front of the god thanks just again to we were talking about Azov

but The Nazis operate under different names, the Kraken Battalion, Eidar, and others. So it's not just Azov, it's symptomatic of the Ukrainian experience. We're coming into the fifth year of of this conflict. I mean, when the special military operation began in February 2022, you know, many people, including myself, thought it would be a much quicker operation. Obviously, it was far more complicated. The Russian leadership was dealing with more issues than Ritter realscott The question is absolutely

Correct, because that's the fifth year of special military operation. It's very difficult for civilians, especially for civilians. As you know, because we are all people, we are human beings. Ritter realscott Ritter realscott For these almost four and a half years of war against the nationalist regime in Ukraine, even not the people in Donbass or people in Ukraine, we come to an opinion They shouldn't go along with these guys because this renaissance of fascism, that's the main fundament, the main idea of the Ukrainian regime and the people in Donbas have been understood a long time ago. That's why the Donbas people decided to be with Russia and we helped them to survive. If Donbas had not been returned to Russia, these people had been Eliminated the because at the beginning of the special military operation the people in the eastern Ukraine were not considered as people by the western Ukraine and there were only two ways either to kill them or to make slaves or enslave them and we understood it was difficult but we had to fight because nobody in Donbass would like to return to Ukraine and even the many Ukrainian citizens come to the same thinking after the sphere after these years of war because some people lost people and Ukrainian economy is actually not lies not down it doesn't exist anymore there is no state The Ukrainian state is not sovereign.

Ukrainian state cannot make decisions in the internal and external policy. It is not a state anymore. And many in Ukraine think they shouldn't go keep stay with this regime anymore. And in Donbass, we understand we need to win. We have to win. And nobody would like to return to Ukraine because that's death.

Well, then let me ask a follow on question that might be More difficult. Are the people of Donetsk losing confidence in Moscow's ability to win this war? You say the people of Donetsk understand this war must be won, that there is no alternative. To compromise is to accept slavery, is to accept what has happened to them. Is there confidence in the Russian leadership today to finish this war? Do they believe that Russia is going to finish this war? Are they afraid that Moscow might make a compromise in the interest of greater Russia.

There is no disappointment. There is no disappointment of this return to Russia. However, everything, everybody are very tired, got really tired within these years of war, but everybody understands that we are going the right way, that we need to win, and everybody is sure we will win, everybody is really sure of that. When the war was started in 2014, and it was started not by us, but by the Ukrainian Nazi regime, and many years have passed since 2014, and the special military operation where we will carry out an open war with the Ukrainian Nazi regime, and the war has been lasting for almost four and a half years, and we have been winning all this time because we have been advancing, and the minds of people, what is the most important thing. And many people started understanding both in Ukraine, in European countries, and I understand that NATO countries are not the Real enemies, but these NATO countries have a deficit, have a lack of trusted information, real information from Donbas.

If we count those media which sent their representatives to Storobelsk after bombing, just really few of them came there. and I'm talking about the accredited journalists and reporters from the Great Britain on the United States that even they didn't even go there they don't want to show the truth however we have the internet which can be used by everyone and those who would like to get the real information they understand that Ukraine is a natural regime eliminating civilians here we are not sure of our win because the Russia as the only country has been fighting against the entire NATO against 70 countries and the Ukraine is just a battlefield and NATO as an alliance purchased Ukraine as a country as a tool to fight against Russia in order to make the Russia weaker is not able to eliminate Russia and Ukraine is a kind of private military company which is was hired to fight against Russia so we have been really resisting successfully against 70 countries in Ukraine.

We keep advancing in our positions of strength as for the compromises from Russia and for the peaceful process. The Russian leader has told many times that we are open to sit at the table we're ready to discuss we're really ready to sign a real peace treaty but this peace is not something what is needed by Ukraine or by EU countries because because all these countries supplied military equipment and money to Ukraine and their leaders earned a lot on this aid. And if all this aid had been really delivered to the front, it would have been have been really more much more difficult for us but as for the land scheme and all his colleagues they really depend on the war because when the war is going on they are safe because when the war is over The prosecutor comes to Zelensky and asks why the corruption is so high, why he stole so much money from Europe. And the European leaders may say, we believed in this good guy, but he turned to be a really bad guy.

We are not guilty of that. He is a bad guy. That's why everyone is willing to continue the war. Only these civilians in Donbas don't want this war.

I was at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, SPIF, a great honor and privilege. And I watched President Putin deliver his message and answer questions. At one point in time, he talked about a letter that was written by the Ukrainian president or somebody. But his response was interesting because at the end, after dismissing the letter, he turned to the camera and he issued a directive. in a very formal term. This is a message to the generals, the admirals, the soldiers, the sailors, you know, go forth, do your job. And then he said something that was, let's work brothers. mixing two genres, the old great patriotic war directive of the military with a heroic statement made by a Dagestani police officer before he was executed by terrorists. When you listen to that, how did you feel? I mean, did it instill confidence in you? Did you see it as empty words? How did you feel when you heard your president make those statements?

These words by our president, by our leader, is not an empty sound we really wanted to hear it I'm really happy to hear it first of all I really will implement this order this directive and next week I will come back to the front line we will also bring the absolutely brand new military equipment which has not been used before we will test it in fight in action will use this upgraded weapon that is one of my main directions in my work I will just fulfill this order this director because many of us have been waited for this director for this order and we understand we are going the right way we have to win when Zelensky was writing this letter Probably he hasn't signed it because he was not brave enough to sign this open letter. He didn't want a piece. He didn't want a piece. It was just a provocation. And because Dolansky and his clique can only provoke, they can only show beautiful pictures in the media.

But when the truth is not with you, the rest is empty.

Now, first of all, thank you for the answer. I think it's important because I'm not a Russian and I heard those words and they they stirred me and I just I'm glad to hear that they stirred you fighting on the front but you're in Moscow right now doing important work but I walk the streets of Moscow and I see people in the streets living their life. There is no war. I go to restaurants and they're filled with people enjoying life, which is their privilege. This is what life is supposed to be. Life isn't supposed to be suffering. Life isn't supposed to be unhappy. Life is supposed to be meant to be lived. with handsome men walking next to beautiful women down the streets enjoying life. But when you see that, do you think they felt the same way when they heard your president's words? Do you think the war resonates with them as much? Are there two Russias? Is there the Russia of the heroes at the front and the other Russia that's living in comfort and peace and somewhat in denial about this war?

The question is really brilliant, and I will answer it in the following way. I'm living in two worlds. World one, that's my front. Where the military operation, where the fights, where the actions are taking place. That's a hell, that's a world of fear, of hunger and all the disasters. It is very unpleasant. When I come to meetings to Moscow or Sevastopol, I come to another I went to a world without a war, without a fear, without a death. That's a normal world which keeps living as it used to be before the war. I have a daughter, she's 17 years old. and she is a university student and she also has fellow students at the university and they also go to parties, they go to cinemas, to theatres, they walk down the streets, they date I am in this awful world in order to keep the second world as it is. because my daughter, my relatives, all other people in Russia should live as they used to live before the war started.

That's why I'm there in World One. And if you say that everyone should stand, Stand up and go to war. I don't think it is something that should be done. Everyone should play, should do what he or she is supposed to do. Some people take the weapon and defense its motherland, its homeland. The other people who should give something to the front as supplies. And I know that some people after their daily job, they go to some clubs, to some enterprises, they prepare the nets for us, they also care about humanitarian aid for us. There are a lot of those people in Russian cities. There are a lot of people helping us. Most of the Russians help us or understand us. So everyone has his or her own place in this life. Thank you for that. Just to say I've

come back and forth to Russia several times over the course of the last year. And I had the honor and privilege of visiting Russian citizens who volunteered to weave nets and to make equipment to pack food and to pack stuff and send it to the front for the soldiers in St. Petersburg a wonderful volunteer group in Moscow the same so the Russian people are behind you I mean that it's obvious to me I'm just gonna ask a personal question don't don't get bad but you mentioned your daughter she's 17 years old she's a university student how did you feel about Starbilsk the attack on the college that could have been your daughter who was sleeping in a dormitory murdered by Ukrainian drones did the fact that you have a daughter who is college age did this horrific crime resonate with you even

deeper because For me and for other people having traditional human values, every child is also our child, not someone else's child. And this attack against the dormitory, against this college where the children dying that's another crime of the Ukrainian regime of Ukrainian neo-Nazis supported unfortunately by the entire Europe and it's not the first crime of this Nazi regime against Russian civilians they bomb civilian facilities and they target the civilian facilities they also bomb an attack against the intercity buses and civilian intercity bus cannot be a bottle tank it does it looks different now and we have a lot of drones in action and the current tactics of fight is different It's not something what even we had even 10 years ago. This war is absolutely different. I would like to tell you one thing. All these drones, there's a high-precision military weapons, that's not an artillery, may also shoot a grenade and it can fall somewhere and probably the other risk they don't really know the where the target exactly is however the operator the drone operators no matter where the drone is in the air or in the sea and he or she always sees with the target and I would like to tell you an awful story that was 2022 When a grandmother was walking down the street with a small boy, the boy was probably three years old, not older, and Ukrainian John came to the yard and started threatening the boy and the boy starting to trying to run away from his drone and the grandmother was an old lady she tried to do and then these sadists actually threw drew a grenade on this boy.

The boy was killed, and the grandmother was wounded, and the drone operator saw what he was doing, that it was just a three-year-old boy with his grandmother. And the children, all the children are not someone else's children, and they're really was disappointed, was down after this strategy in Sterobelsk and that my daughter was lucky enough to be there and these crimes they did something what the Ukrainians should be responsible for and after a win we will find all of them and we will bring them to court everyone will be brought to the court and for these people The biggest fear is to come to court as the criminal and they should be sentenced till the last day of their life because they have to stay in prison until they die.

Get some clarity on this. You're a warrior. You fought in a war. You're fighting in a war. And you're called upon to kill your enemy. And your enemy is called upon to kill you. But there are laws of war. There are rules. There are regulations. There are norms of civilized society that even the military must obey and adhere to. Drones are a new weapon. But as you said, they're not a area strike weapon like artillery they're a precision guided weapon where there's somebody's eyes on the target eyes attached to a brain attached to a heart eyes who know the difference between right and wrong are you saying that drone operators who violate the laws of war by deliberately targeting civilians will be held to account after this war

Yes, definitely they should be accounted for that because there is such a term criminal order and this criminal order is stated in the legal system of every single country. When a soldier understands that the order by a commander is a criminal order, the soldier is entitled not to fulfill it. that's why the decision to fulfill these orders that's something what every single soldier decides because the soldier can refuse and say that is actually anti-human order because that was something that was that was break the god's law unfortunately We see a lot of cases that we show the sadism of the Ukrainian soldiers and operators when they assassinate civilians. There is a video somewhere in the internet, for example, when civilians were leaving Pokrovsk, they were trying to leave that city, it was really scaring there, and an old lady was pulling a tray after Trolley after her and the grandmother kneed in front of the drone and the drone killed her.

What should the operator have in his mind do it? It was not an order. is a pretty expensive a drone is aimed against the enemy soldier so it should be used in order to eliminate a real military target but to kill a bald lady with a trolley I think that was not an order it was just something what an operator decided to do and we are currently to free the earth of these bastards because when

you look at the Ukrainian military today we know they're having trouble recruiting And the people they are recruiting tend to be recruited not into the infantry or the artillery or the armor, but into the drone campaign. You're talking about 80,000 new recruits being trained in the drone warfare, etc. Maybe they should be told by the Russian government. That if you violate the law, we will hunt you down and we will bring you to justice. Because right now, it just seems that you look at what's happening in Donetsk today in Donbas and the drones are attacking buses, they're attacking cars, they're attacking civilian sites, they're attacking everything as if there's immunity for this. It's just I mean, who am I I'm just an American observing but I think they might lose their enthusiasm for the war if they understand that everything they do is being recorded and at some point in time when this war ends they will be brought to justice maybe that'll help them stop or not do the next crime I don't know that's just my speculation you can comment on that if you'd like to I think

It is not really difficult to comment these enemies' actions because the Ukrainian army, they also use some mental drugs and that's a norm there. They don't fight fight against the drug addiction. And the mental drugs are also distributed among Ukrainian soldiers in order not to feel the conscience, not to feel the fear. That's why the scientists have no fear. They think they can live forever. And we will definitely hunt for them, either the justice or our strike.

It was curious that the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum President Putin asked specifically about drones and asked specifically about the necessity of because it's a new weapon and coming up with a framework of the laws to control drones because it's a horrible weapon. And I think that the world needs to understand that, you know, the drones are directly controlled by people and the people must be held accountable to what they do with their drones. So your president was quite correct. you mentioned that you're here to I'm just repeating your words to to get new weaponry new devices I'm not going to ask what what it is we'll find out soon enough I imagine and you're going to bring it to the front where you're going to get to work Europe just passed you know what 90 billion dollar euro budget. The United States government sadly has approved another couple billion dollars to provide military assistance to the Ukrainians and that assistance will come to the Ukrainian army and they'll take it to the front where you'll be fighting.

Do you see the front just stagnating or do you feel optimism that Russia has the advantage and that there will be a As I said in the beginning of our interview, we as a Russian military

keep at the one thing both we and the Ukrainian enemies have drones as equipment it's not only something what is flying in the air we have also a ground drones we have also sea drones And they can really operate in all these three environments. And the use of drones can also, has also an impact on the war. That's why we are advancing Ritter realscott Ritter I would say we are advancing and we are sure of our win and we are sure that we will move forward. However, these drones do have impact on the war and there is a kind of competition right Right now between the drone operators between the drone designers and makers and the drones themselves and how the drones are used and this competition is constant and the competition is getting higher and higher because every single day we gain something new in every single fight a similar action that's a correction of previous errors anyway I will bring new drones to the front I'm not allowed to tell you anything about them these are absolutely new systems and they will definitely help and save people's life that's very important okay here's a hypothetical

You're in downtown Moscow. You're going up a hotel to meet somebody at the top floor and you step into the elevator and in walks a man. It's Donald Trump, the president of the United States. And somehow he's left his security behind and the door shuts. It's just you and Donald Trump. You're going up the elevator. You have very limited time. What do you tell him? What would you say to the American president about this conflict, about U.S.-Russian relations?

I think it's a very complicated question for me. Yes. I'm somebody who is pretty well known now I do have a certain experience I also you can make an impact but what can I ask or can I request from the US president this person is at a higher level and what can I advise to the person who is fully ignoring the international legal norms. For example, what happened in Venezuela. We observed that he did there what he wanted. What can I ask him to do? What can I request from him? from here because this person used to do what he only wants. I wouldn't say that our conversation would be productive. I will probably ask him to participate more actively in a peaceful process and stop supporting the Nazi regime and Ukraine. Probably he hasn't seen these swastiks on their shoulders. Probably he hasn't seen any Facist symbol signs on the Ukrainian military equipment probably he has he hasn't seen the fire demonstrations by the Nazis maybe he doesn't know after the Nazis came to power in Ukraine they started controlling the Troitsk-Pechorsk Lavra the monastery in Kiev and actually the bones of the Russian holy people started disappearing and the rest of the Nazi leaders from World War II, from Great Britain started being brought to Ukraine and Ukraine is currently substituting the ideology and the religion because they substitute the holy bones with the bones of these bastards because Ukraine is not the state what Mr.

Trump may think of because Ukraine is actually an example of anti-human actions anti-Russian actions. They even did more than the Nazis did during World War II. Maybe Mr. Trump should look more at the country he supports. Maybe he doesn't know any something. And if he finds out what is really happening there, he may refuse supporting it.

Not just the American president, but the American people need to hear this as well. Our two sides fought as allies 80 plus years ago to defeat Nazi Germany to defeat the scourge of this fascist ideology and today the United States is supporting the very thing that we once opposed. It's only natural that we be allies. So I think that's a very important message to the American president and hopefully the people watching this interview will hear it as well. It's been a wonderful conversation with Jan Gagin, Papa Kot. Thank you very much for joining me on the Russia House. And I thank everybody for watching. Until next time, have a good day.